Feniton History Group 50th Meeting

David asked for our help with the WW1 Commemoration Service to be held at 11am on Sunday 3rd August.
This was agreed. If anyone has anything to help with the board display that would be much appreciated. Can you help with putting up the display please on Saturday 2nd at 2:30 ?
Brenda mentioned that Ottery Heritage will have a WW1 exhibition in the Old Boys School from the 15th to 20th July.

George told us about his experience of walking the parish boundary, with a view to hold a beating of the bounds event next April at Rogationtide, 25th April. He explained that in parts it is a difficult walk and the lanes make it rather unsafe, also the distance is more than many could manage in a day. So it was decided to plan a walk from the Pumping Station in Campfield, up to Tower Hill, down to the River Tale and along to Talewater and back to the village by the Talaton Road. Thank you George for all the effort you have taken.
George is a keen walker and will put the parish on the map for other Geocachers to follow.
I have contacted Ottery Heritage who are very keen to be involved.

Following my finding a mention of Hayes Manor, partly in Feniton and partly Talaton it is thought to take in  the area of Talewater. The Wright family farmed Talewater Farm and are mentioned in some deeds along with the name Radcliffe. There is Radcliffe House on the right between Talaton and Clyst Hydon at Aunke, but the current house is too late to be linked to the Hayes Manor? Another name in the deeds is English. The Manor was sold to Sir George Yonge, then to the Kennaways and became part of the Escot estate.
Thank you Roger for your help is looking this up. Alan tells us he came across mentions of it in Mr. Yates files in Honiton Museum, so must pop in there and check it.

With Jo we looked at the Tithe map to find mentions of field names and the Drang Path her relative mentions in his notes on Feniton History. The Drang path must have ran through Feniton Court to Sowton on the Buckerell road. Thank you Jo that was an interesting exercise.

David told us about a contact he has had from someone asking about the Rumbold family from Colestocks, sadly the headstone in the churchyard has been defaced and it is intriguing as to why.   It looks like it was deliberately done and not just random vandalism. 

Next meeting on Thursday 7th August in the Nog Inn. 


St Andrew's Church Feniton are holding a WW1 Commemoration Service at 11am on 3rd August 2014 We would like to invite anyone with connection to the village and the men who served in the War.
Feniton History Group will put  up a display of our fallen soldiers and serving men.

Feniton History Group 49th Meeting

Feniton History Group held the 49th Meeting in the Nog Inn

The topic was the ancient boundary between the village and Ottery St. Mary. This was highlighted during the Planning inquiry. There is a general consensus that in light of the history  it would be beneficial to the heritage of the area to mark this in some way.

I raised the point at last night's Parish Council  meeting and it received full support. We will need to find funding and the form it would take. The Chairman also pointed out we would need permission of the land owner and select a suitable place for it.  

At our meeting I suggested we could hold a "Beating of the Bounds" event in Feniton. This web link gives a plan on how to hold the ceremony: http://www.farmingmatters.org.uk/seasons/ben.html

The village boundaries hold a very important detail for the villages to know where these lines ran before mapping became established. Some villages hold the event on Rogationtide  25th April or Ascension Day 29th May.

This website gives the history of the event: http://www.strangebritain.co.uk/traditions/bounds.html
It seems we need to take the choir boys with us and gently beat their heads on each tree, stone or marker on the way round to engrain the youngsters with the memory of the village boundary!

George has kindly checked out the lay of the route around the village on his mapping software and estimates it to be some 14.6 kilometres = about 9 miles and if we kept to the roads and footpaths rather than crossing private land it would extend to 18 kilometres = about 11 miles!

Thinking of various boundaries, Brenda related that the old privy at Yellinghams Farm is over the boundary between Feniton and Payhembury, so when the wedding banns were read the bride sat there so to be in the right parish! It was also mentioned that a pub on the Wales \ England boarder had to close  the bar on the Welsh side on a Sunday, whereas the English side could open.

Should we go ahead with the event we should involve our neighbouring parishes.

Somehow Geoff and I started to reminisce about the Portsdown Hills and Harry Pounds Scrapyard!!! I knew the area well as a child, as did Geoff from family holidays there. We also discussed with the Admiralty Telegraph Station was still there. This website has the details:

Jenny mentioned a Vicar from Broadhembury who ended up in jail, Mr Josiah Bangor. This was due to the Five Mile Act (1665), Acts were intended to stop office-holding by dissenters. The Acts made it unlawful for more than five people aged 16 and over, besides the household, to ‘be present at any Assembly.

The BBC have shown a local program about worker's strikes taking place during WW1, and we all were surprised that this had happened in war time. This led toa natter about the cost of living and the wages we were paid in our first jobs. 

The WW1 research is nearly complete, and now we need to work out the form of the display, this will take place in the Church over the Nov 11th Rememeberancetide, with a coffee morning. This to be agreed with Rev Cate and the Churchwardens.

Talaton are having a WW1 Exhibition ‘Lest We Forget’, Sat12th July 2014 12noon - 8pm in the Church of St James the Great, Talaton.

Tony told us about the Community Play he is involved with. Based on Exeter Football Club, "The Day we Played   Brazil".  This is from the website: http://thedayweplayedbrazil.com/about/
The Day we Played Brazil will celebrate the 100th anniversary of the football match between Exeter City and the Brazil national team – the first-ever game played by Brazil. The play is based on the extraordinary true story of Exeter City FC’s tour to South America in 1914. Chosen by the Football Association as a typical British football club they became the first side in history to play the Brazilian national football team and in so doing not only made history themselves but also founded possibly the greatest force in world football.

The next meeting will be the 3rd July.

Duke of York in Feniton November 1927 meeting WW1 Veterans

Feniton History Group 48th Meeting

The WW1 project:

Geoff kindly passed around copies of the WW1 booklet, which we all agreed was an ideal way to document the men.

We talked about how the men were called up at various times, Kitchener's Volunteers in 1915, the Territorial's signed on for 3 years service. It was also noted that the railwaymen were enlisted in their peacetime roles as platelayers to lay tracks in France. Some 7,000 steam locomotives and crews were shipped to France. In the Thames estuary the trains were placed ready to be shipped out.

This was followed by a lively and varied discussion on various topics.

I have been researching the Marks family, who lived in the village for many years and ran the Post Office. Edward Marks was postmaster and parish clerk for some 42 years. This led to us debating the whereabouts of the Post Office, at onetime it was opposite the current shop in Parr Cottages. This block of 3 cottages also once contained the village Cider House or Inn and the reading rooms. Sid Marks lived in Knapp Cottage at the top of the village where Green Lane goes off to the left and the hill up to the "new" estate. Here he had a small grocer's shop and he was the village barber.

Sadly his wife Hilda died in childbirth in 1938, so his late wife's sister went to care for Sid, this was frowned up by many as they could not wed, due to the law made in 1560, saying you cannot marry your dead wife's sister!

This law was repealed in part in the 1907 Marriage Act which  removed from the forbidden list  the Wife's sister and Husband's brother, provided the first spouse in each case was deceased. Further changes followed in 1921, 1931 and 1949. So the disgust of the villagers was well founded as they could have wed it seems!

I hope to make a list of all the postmasters and mistress for the village.

Alan told us a sorry tale of one of the village' returning soldier's, Sid Salter, he was a platelayer, living in the little bungalow known as "Chequers", by the Spar Shop. Sid was married, but his wife was rather taken by the American GIs of WW2 and she left Sid, sadly he was a broken man and could stand it no more, he took his own life in 1952 under an Oak Tree along the Talaton Road.

Alan recalled that during the last war, pig food was in short supply, so "Porky" Pyle sent the boys of the village out with sacks to collect acorns, for which he paid them 3d per sack, after a while the acorns were hard to find, so a stone was dropped into one of the sacks, but, as it was weighed on the scales, the stone made a clunking sound and the ruse was found out.

"Porky" Pyle retired to Jubilee House,  his nephew Ted taking on at Long Park. The other houses behind the farmhouse at Long Park must have been workers cottages. Some say that Jubilee House was built by Queen Victoria's Housekeeper? The name must come from her Diamond Jubilee in 1897.  The other Victorian houses around Sidmouth Junc. were built because of the railway, Sherwood Villa being one.

Thank you everyone for such an interesting evening. Also thank you to Brenda and Geoff for the help with the WW1 research.

Nest Meeting Thurs 5th June in the Nog at 8pm.

Feniton History Group 47th Meeting

David asked us to help in some way with a fund raising event in aid of Melanesia, this was agreed, the format for this to be decided in due course.

We had a good natter about WW1.

Geoff kindly offered to look at a more useful format taken from the spreadsheet template of notes I have made so then we can printout a booklet for the church or to sell. Brenda took on the task of checking the 1911 census for men who may have been called up for service.

Geoff suggested we need to check the wartime copies of the Pulman's newspaper, held in the Somerset Heritage collection for more on the volunteers and snippets of news from our area at that time. Another thing we need to check is the absent voters list, compiled for the 1916 election.

The Deanery Magazine of the time would have carried some useful paragraphs, but sadly the copies in Honiton Museum are later. 

Alan mentioned his father Walter Powell served during the war, and I have been able to find his war service on the internet.

It was sad and thoughtful evening, talking about the loss and suffering, also the animals used, went through the same trauma.

Feniton History Group 46th Meeting

Wonderful to see so many. It was good to natter and ponder over the maps the Group have in it's collection.

Work is progressing on the WW1 men.

Our next meeting. This will be in the Nog Inn on Thurs. 3rd April

"Oreo" is a young puppy in Pam's care for the "Hearing Dogs for the Deaf organisation and joins us for her socialisation training!

A note from Jenny:

The Battlefields’ Trust are organising a small event for anyone who would like to be introduced to the Battle of Fenny Bridges, Feniton Honiton . EX14 3BJ

On Saturday 12th April we are meeting at the Greyhound at 11 am and then walking to Bloody Meadow and then on to the church. After people have visited the church, they will be returning to the Greyhound for lunch and to look at display boards

We are charging £3 a head (plus lunch) and the money will go towards an information board which will cost us £1500. We have been debating where to place it. I would like the church to benefit from it, but Malcolm is keen to have it placed in the Greyhound. They are keen too as it will provide a centre of interest at the pub.

I am also planning to write to the council eventually and see if we can twist their arm and get them to provide a new Fenny Bridges sign over the bridge with the battle field symbol. Before that we are planning to get English Heritage to officially recognise the importance of the Battle field.

Jenny Wilson ,Feniton History Group. On behalf of the Battlefields' Trust. http://www.battlefieldstrust.com/