Feniton History Group held the 63rd meeting in the Nog Inn

A near full house of our members, and as usual we had a wide ranging discussion.

Jenny and George are arranging a visitor to talk about archaeology finds relating to the Western Uprising.  This be in the Nog Inn at our February meeting on the 4th Feb.

We confirmed the event in the Church on the Thurs. 17th March when Jim Rider will talk to us about flight G-ARBY, the airliner that crash landed on Bishops Court Farm on 17 Jul 1980.

I mentioned I was having a chat on social media regarding the origins of the name for the village of Talaton, here are my thoughts:

The origins of the village name, Talaton. i.e. ton being a hamlet,  and Tal, may be from the River?
The River Tale, a tributary of the River Otter has its source in the hills behind Broadhembury at Hanger Farm, OS map ref: ST 11864 06059. It then meanders through Broadhembury, Colliton, Danes’s Mill, Payhembury, passing the hamlets of Higher and Lower Tale on the high ground, Tale Common Head to Tuck Mill, to Talewater, through Colesworthy, Clapperentale, Escot, Fairmile, to Cadhay, here it meets with the River Otter, OS map ref: SY 09207 95911.

The village of Talaton lies over a ridge from the Tale Valley, geographically it does not share the Tale Valley, apart, from the River Tale being part of the parish boundary between Feniton and Talaton, where is runs through Talewater and Colesworthy. 

Chris Saunders came to give us an update on the possible restoration of the monument at Patteson’s Cross. The Ottery Heritage are in full support for this repair and this repair only, they will not adopt the monument or take responsibility for it after this.

The ownership of it is still unknown, but Devon Highways tend the grass island it sits on and will allow its repair. So advice from a conservator would be welcome. Chris will potter on searching for the best way to progress this, if we come across anything relevant please pass it to Chris.

Chris  then spoke about a book he has received via a visitor who stayed at his house, unbeknown to her that she was staying in the area where Bishop Patteson resided!. In the under croft of her home in Auckland she found the diaries of one Thomas Kerr, a Meteorologist, he took part in the same mission as Bishop Patteson.

The book is called “The Search for Thomas Kerr: Mariner, Mapmaker, Missionary, Meteorologist”. There’s something irresistible about a diary, especially one from over 150 years ago discovered under a house. Scrawled cryptic entries on water-stained pages, near-impossible to read, but hinting at the story of a man’s adventures sailing in the South Pacific. That random find sent author Jean Day on a fifty-year journey of discovery where she found uncanny parallels between her life and that of the long-departed diarist, Thomas Kerr. This book is the story of how she unravelled the tangled threads of the careers he followed; his travels across the globe, from being an orphan in Devonport England; to becoming a naval officer and taking part in charting NZ on the HMS Pandora and fighting in the Chinese Opium Wars. His life as a Melanesian missionary in the islands around Vanuatu; and then as Vicar of Devonport NZ; and his final years as a meteorologist at Valentia, Ireland; until his death in 1875.

Chris also explained there were two vessels called “Southern Cross”  This link gives more detail: http://www.solomonencyclopaedia.net/biogs/E000302b.htm

David related his current research into one Bishop Phillpott of Exeter, with whom our own Rev. Head  clashed  over teaching the catechism.  Rev. Head was dismissed from his post because  of this, but was welcomed back to Feniton with much jubilation, his horses being unhitched from the carriage and he was pulled into the village by the parishioners! He was a man who took his faith seriously, but did not follow the popish ways, he said this: Water is water, bread is bread, wine is wine.

Paterson was ordained by Philpott.  Bishop Phillpotts was involved with the slave trade, on an estate in the ownership of the Society for the Propagation of the Gospel in Foreign Parts. https://www.ucl.ac.uk/lbs/person/view/18347  The slaves were branded with the word Society.

Thank you  all  for such an interesting evening. I look forward to seeing you all in February 2016!  Happy Christmas. 

Feniton History Group held the 62nd meeting in the Nog Inn

As usual we covered a wide range of topics.

It being the 5th November the strange tradition of the Tar Barrels was mentioned.
More details here:

Also Hatherleigh has a similar event:

Alan remembers traveling to Ottery Carnival on his NSU Scooter.

Another fire event is the Ashen Faggott,

On their return from the Devon History Society lecture by Mark Stoyle on 'The South Western Rebellion of 1549 Revisited'. George and Jenny were chuffed to tell us about some metal detecting finds including Bodkins.

The Rev. Blackstone says the Devon rebellion 1549 was caused the  Cornish came to Fenny Bridges.

 I recalled the local agent, the late Geoffrey Whitton, and his son’s called Wakefield a surname from the female line.

Geoffrey and his father looked after the Feniton Court Estate and many local farmers affairs. They would ride out from Exeter on horseback in the early days.

We nattered about Quakers in Devon, they were not allowed to go to university,  so set up in trade. Hence Frys and Cadburys the confectioners.

There are nonconformist graves in the Exeter Catacombs, less persecution followed the act of Settlement in 1701.
 The work of the Landmark Trust building restoration relating to recent TV series

We are organising a talk by the author Jim Rider on the airliner crash near Tipton St John.

I hope I have remembered everything correctly. 

Feniton History Group held the 61st meeting in the Nog Inn

We had a good old natter, as usual, though I think talked too much!! 

George has spoken to an author who would be able to do a book talk for us relating to the  plane that crashed near Tipton St. John in July 1980. 

The very interesting evening with Colin Harris raised £108 for the Church. His book is a wonderful mix of Devon yarns. It is on sale in the Church.  

The boundary stone. The parish council are keen to use this part of the village history as an   important factor in the Neighbourhood Plan, so the placing of the boundary stone is important. Now the time has slipped away I think the October date is lost, the Group agreed to aim for Rogation Sunday 2016 which is Sunday 1st May.  

Brenda  and Chris Saunders have  attended a School Seminar organised by Devon History Society  to mark the 50th anniversary of Devon schools. Brenda is now looking for primary sources of documents relating to out schools.  

Geoff mentioned a railway exhibition where there was a display on Treacle mines, and   Talaton Toothpaste Quarry, I cannot glean anything new on this, love to hear from anyone who knows more, perhaps it was exported Luppitt Harbour!!! Remains of Roman baths in Talaton was also mentioned. 

Our ongoing research into local roads raised the name Oakenhay Street, Old British Road,  it is thought that the  old roman road ran under the footings of the  Fenny  Bridges Hotel, now a private house.  

Through the Devon History Society, I have  been asked to take part in a project to document WW1 farming in the village , need to find market reports details of  food rationing and how crops were marketed and managed. Looking forward to talking this. 

Chris Saunders raised the poor condition of Pattesons Cross, and how best to find an owner, or who is responsible for the upkeep. It would be a great loss if the decay was not halted. It was demolished in a road accident in 1981. George has kindly offered to liaise with Chris and Ottery Heritage on this. 

We also discussed book marketing, when do you stop researching and David told us that deeds and documents have been handed to him by Barclays Bank, We look forward to hearing more about these. 

Next meeting 5th November.

Remembering Robert HANSFORD who was killed on this day 100 years ago 25 Set 1915

HANSFORD, Robert George, DCM. 

Born : Dulverton C1876

Baptised :

Parents : John and Emily Hansford

Married : Rebecca Fry – 16th April 1906 – St Andrews, Feniton

Died : 25th September 1915

Buried : No known grave - listed on the Loos Memorial to the missing at Dud Corner Cemetery.

1881 Census : Causeway End, Broadhembury – aged 5

1891 Census :

1901 Census :

1911 Census : Lower Elstone, Chulmleigh – aged 35

Occupations : Labourer. Farmer in 1911.

Address on enlisting :

Regiment : 8th Battalion, Devonshire Regiment

Rank : Serjeant

Service Number : 3/7458

Service Dates : 22nd June 1895 to 21st June 1907.

CWGC listing : Yes

Soldiers Died Listing :

Devon Roll of Honour : Yes under Dunkeswell

National Roll of the Great War :

Medal Card (NA WO372) : WO372/8/219636

Service Record (NA WO363) :

War Memorial : Feniton

Newspaper Listings :

Notes : He says he was exactly 19 years old when he signed his attestation papers on the 22nd June 1895 and joined the Devonshire Regiment (number 4288) giving his next of kin as his father – John Hansford of Wolford, Dunkeswell. He lists himself as a labourer who had lived at his father’s house for the last three years. He had never been an apprentice, is not married and has not been to prison. When he enlisted he was already a member of the Militia (4th Devonshire Regiment) but was taking up a full 12 year Short Service agreement (7 years with the colours, 5 years in reserve or if overseas 8 years and 4 years). He was 5’ 4” tall and weighed 123lbs, had a fresh complexion, grey eyes and light brown hair.

He served at home from 23rd June 1895 until 8th September 1896 when he went to India until 20th September 1899. He then served in South Africa until 18th January 1902 and was Mentioned in Despatches on two occasions for his bravery in the Second Boer War. He was presented with the Queens South Africa Medal in 1900 with clasps for Belfast, Elandslaagte and the Defence of Ladysmith; Kings South Africa Medal, 1901-2, with 2 clasps; 1914-15 Star, and the British War and Victory Medals. He most likely earned his DCM for the action at Wagon Hill. During late 1899 and early 1900 the 1st Devon’s were engaged against the Boers in the Siege of Ladysmith, in South Africa. Ladysmith is surrounded by hills and the garrison units were tasked with keeping the Boers from taking the heights to prevent Ladysmith coming in range of their artillery. On the 6th January the Boers made a determined effort to assault Caesar’s Camp and the Devon’s were tasked with preventing its capture. Wagon Point formed part of Caesars Camp and it was successfully cleared by the Devon’s during a thunderstorm. During this action a Lt Masterson won the Victoria Cross.

Robert then returned to India until 25th March 1903 when he came home and was transferred to the reserve from 27th March 1903 until his discharge on 21st June 1907. He was made a Lance Corporal on 18th January 1900 and a full Corporal on 4th January 1902. He had passed his Sergeants promotion exam on 19th December 1902.
At the start of the First World War Robert re-enlisted as a Private in the 8th Service Battalion of the Devonshire Regiment. At some stage he was promoted to Sergeant the rank he had when he was killed (although he is listed as a Private in the Devon Roll of Honour). The 8th was formed at Exeter on 19th August 1914 as part of K1 (Kitcheners first volunteer army). They went to Rushmoor Camp, Aldershot (Barossa Barracks) in November 1914 as part of the 14th Division. From December 1914 they were in billets in villages south of Farnham and came back to Aldershot in March 1915. They left the 14th Division in May 1915. On the morning of July 25th 1915 they moved to Southampton for embarkation and landed at Le Havre on 26th July 1915 and were attached to 20 Brigade, 7th Division at Carvin on 4th August 1915. The 8th were later attached to the 21st Division and in late August moved to the area south of the La Bassee canal. On 24th September preparations were made for the 8th to attack positions around the villages of Hulluch, Cite St Elie and Haisnes on the 25th during the battle of Loos. It was during this battle that Robert Hansford was killed. When the 8th finally left the battlefield on the 30th September they only had 6 officers and 263 men left out of around 1000.

Feniton History Group held the 60th meeting

It was good to be back together again, thank you all for an interesting evening.
We confirmed the details of the talk by Colin Harris on the 16th Sept.
We had a discussion on how easy it is to lose saved data as things like floppy disk slots are not available on the modern computers.

Brenda is attending a seminar on schools 1844 to 1864 and asked if we have any notes that cover those years.

Jenny told us she has been working on her Notley ancestors from Cerne Abbass, one Thomas Notley went to America where he became a Judge in the 1600s.

Geoff related his work as a volunteer in the Devon Record Office. He has been cleaning and listing papers from the Payne family of Uffculm. It is a huge task and painstaking using a sponge to remove years of dust.

David told us about his research with Roger into the River Otter area at Fenny Bridges. This research confirms the name of the Roman Road in the area:

“The Roman Road at Fenny Bridges is usually considered to be the most south westerly end of the Fosse way from Exeter to Lincoln. The Fosse Way represents the first Roman/British 'frontier' line established in the first few years of the Roman take over. 'Street Pol'(meaning the pool by the road) is a marker in the Anglo Saxon boundary clause from Ottery's 1061 Charter. It refers to quite a large pool in the river Otter located on the south of the old A30 at Fenny Bridges. It was still there in the 1840s and is recorded on Ottery's tithe map (clip attached). It had disappeared by the time of the first large scale OS maps in the 1880s although the straight bank on the southern edge of the pool is still easy to spot.”

They have also found various records detailing the bridges, floods and lack of repairs. A trust of ten men was set up to correct the problems:

Hon. William Wells Addington, Sir Edmund Lansdown Prideaux, Bart. Sir John Kennaway, John ? Oliphant Esq., William Porter Esq., Charles Gordon Esq, Edward Simcoe Drewe Esq.,William Rennell Coleridge Esq.,             Daniel Bishop Davy Esq. and Rev John Huyshe this is dated 19 Sep 1750.

Other local names are Skinner, Northcote, Wright,  Kirkham and Pring.

David also noted that the name of   the stream running through Feniton was called the Fine and the name of the village derived from this phonically as the V and F sound very similar.

I omitted to say at the meeting that Jenny and I have put together a general history of the village to be used as part of the Neighbourhood Plan. I attach my document, which may well become an aid to the writing of our village book?

Next meeting is booked in the Nog Inn on  1st October at 8pm. Looking forward to seeing you all on the 16th Sept for Colin’s talk, just some help needed with teas and the door. Thank you.

Devon Map Links

In searching for something else, we came across this really nice blog posting on your website athttp://www.devonhistorysociety.org.uk/2015/01/ordnance-survey-maps-six-inch-england.html about the OS six-inch maps, so many thanks for this.

My real reason for writing was just to say that we have recently added all our holdings of the more detailed OS 25 inch to the mile maps of Devon (1855-1943) to our website too.

The home page for the OS 25 inch series is at: http://maps.nls.uk/os/25inch-england-and-wales/index.html and you can search and view all the maps of Devon through a map interface at:

There is also a list of the OS 25 inch sheets for Devon in sheet order at:http://maps.nls.uk/os/25inch-england-and-wales/devon.html 

We are in the process of georeferencing the sheets too – at present the georeferenced coverage is just for south-east England at:http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=8&lat=51.4686&lon=0.0404&layers=176 but we hope to cover Devon too in the next month or so.

Reasonably enough, people don’t think of visiting the National Library of Scotland website for maps of southern England, so we are always keen to alert those that might be interested in case they can help spread the word.

With kind regards,

Chris Fleet
National Library of Scotland
159 Causewayside

One Place Studies detailed report for Feniton

The full report is available here:

Society of One Place Studies Link

I want to thank the Group for all their notes and research that has made this possible.