Chuffed to report on another very lively evening!
We debated the wanton vandalism to the Boundary Stone, which is safe in my garage. The meeting decided that we would arrange for it to be set in concrete. Thank you Brenda for the hard hitting article in the September parish magazine.
I hope to arrange for Jim Wooley from Ottery Heritage to join us in November for a talk on his book ‘Ottery Sacrifice 1914-1921’. This has been a huge undertaking embracing years of research and months of preparation. Jim has been helped along the way by his Heritage Society Committee. Supported by a HLF grant under their ‘First World War: Then and Now’ scheme, the Ottery Heritage Society’s ‘Great War Project’ includes plans to publish a series of books recording the activities of all Ottregians who served in the First World War, both those who died and those who survived.
David updated us on the progress so far in getting Patteson’s Cross monument refurbished.
Work will start shortly. It would be useful to see if we can find out about its recent history, the date of the one or two road accidents that damaged it and when it was moved. There is to be a fund raising event in the church to make up the shortfall for the costs.
How this next conversation came about I not sure, but we seem to have a Radio Devon Star living the village, her chats with David Fitzgerald as part of his “Crossword” section each day are legendary. Gloria even has her own fan club!
Alan then had us all in stitches with his wonderful Devon Dialect sayings, “where be her to” and the like. We discussed how there are differences in the various areas of the county. Plymouth born folk use the accent “Janner” according Hugh. Fascinating.
Sadly, I had to leave at this point, but no doubt you all carried on long into the night!
Next meeting in the Nog Inn, thanks to our hosts, Mike and Rosemarie, on Thurs. 6th Oct.
Very sadly I have to report that since our meeting the Boundary Stone has been uprooted, and is now back in my garage. We will have to discuss what we do about this at the next meeting. The ownership of the stone was also muted.
We had our usual lively and varied discussion, hope I have remembered it all!
2017 will see the 50th anniversary of the closure of the Railway Station. Brenda and Alan remembered the village was promised better transport links by bus, which, never came about!
Geoff tells The Devon Record Office (Southwest Heritage) has set up a new database of its holdings. http://devon-cat.swheritage.org.uk/
Brenda has found some wonderful maps of Feniton Court in the DRO.
The Feniton Carnival was remembered, it was set up to raise funds for the Youth Centre, the last one was held in the late 1980s. The village groups borrowed tractors and trailers from the local farmers. The WI did a float relating to “Boy George” and also one “Ascot” where the ladies became rather tipsy on all the wine! Another float was “Citizen Smith”.
Chris reported all is in hand for the restoration of the Patteson Cross Obelisk, and a fund raising event is taking place in Feniton Church 23rd September. We have been asked to put up one of our display boards, we have the material from the event held previously.
Alan spoke about place name pronunciation, how people from away say the names wrong. It all has to do with dialect and localisms!! This led onto how the lack of road signs after the war lead to confusion in the Devon Lanes.
Brenda is still gleaning wonderful snippets regarding Parr Cottage and its history as the village Inn, reading rooms and men’s club. She has found an inventory which contained things like spittoons, a lot of the expenses went on lamp oil, coal and daily newspapers.
The education act of 1870 upset the farmers who had to let their farm lads go to school! It was thought the working classes did not need education.
Bill has been busy with the Carving Group and it is now a very popular craft for villagers.
Thanks to Brenda and David for running the meeting due to my absence!
Jenny is working on St James Cottage , later named Wimsheet. She outlined where the cottage was which was on the Curscombe road near the sharp bend and after the stream bridge. She had rules out most options of it being linked to Prince James. Can Geoff check if it is marked on any old maps
Brenda is still working on the Parr cottages, Alan reported on stories associated with Long Linney and Rutts lane. George is interested in Article 39 of the C of E. Bob offered help with any project work
David reported on the nature of Church graffiti and how it was the only record of the poor in our churches, all other memorials were of and for the wealthy.
Will has being doing some more detecting at Windmill Hill, sadly no major finds.
The Group all seem happy to have a meeting in August, so I have booked the Nog Inn for Thursday 4th August at 8 pm.
Chris Saunders is leading a project to get the Patteson’s Cross Memorial repaired, there will be a fund raising event in Feniton Church on Friday 23rd Sept at 7:00 pm
I hope you won’t be bored with me repeating this, but again we had a jolly and far reaching natter on various topics!
We are thinking about marking the 50 years after the station closed on 3 Jan 1967, which would be next year.
David and I have been looking at emails from a researcher looking into the Pring family of East Devon. One Martin Pring born here in 1580 turns out to be a noted explorer. A Google search brings up various reports of his life as a sea captain and explorer. He was baptised in the church on 23 Apr. 1580 - bur; 1627 St. Stephen’s Bristol. He was son of John Pring of Thorne.
There are two meetings planned, the first from Ottery Heritage by Jim on his book commemorating WW1 in the area and Jenny and George have kindly said they will show the Western Uprising PowerPoint which is nowing be updated to include new research.
Chris from Ottery Heritage has been working hard on the project to repair the Patterson Cross Monument and has received consent to organise its repair. Hoping to start in Sept, all being well. There will a Social Evening to raise funds. The stone masons will require a welfare station on site adding to the costs.
Geoff, while volunteering at the Devon Records Office has been indexing planning documents for Honiton dated 1920s / 1930s , this detailed the Reads garage pump on arm reaching on to the High Street, and its necessary fuel tank , the Turks Head Café and planning for the houses in Honiton Bottom. Plans for Pubs and Inns in Honiton, Tavern Beer houses. The act of 1830 tried to put an end to too much Gin!, but anyone could sale beer, but not spirits. The old water board site in Kings Road was an aircraft factory war time, permissions for toilets in the pubs. In 1932 the houses were to be built with bathrooms and a washroom/ scullery. This is a wonderful resource for the social history of the town. There is also a plan of Cullompton after the fire.
Brenda has been working on the history of the Parr Cottages, they have a long and varied past, as an Inn or Cider House, as far back as 1649 when the “ale wife” served the church workmen, the village meeting rooms. The property was part of the Feniton Court Estate and the name Parr may have come from the village Par in Cornwall where the Rashleigh’s who owned the Court had their main family home.
Jenny and George took the Western Uprising talk to the U3A meeting where it was well received, but they had trouble with the Beehive hall equipment which did not match their own computer so did the whole talk by the seat of their pants!! Jenny has copyrighted the talk to Feniton History Group to protect it.
Jenny tells us she may have links to her own family with the Frys, Quakers from Spicelands, Uffculm leading to a link with Cadbury family and chocolate.
Alan told us about the legend of the cottage near Buckerell Cross called “Prince James Lodge” this may be the son of King Charles 1st. Since the meeting Jenny has been doing some research on this and found three men named Prince James, the most promising candidate would be the Duke of Monmouth who was in East Devon after landing at Lyme Regis. So an interesting task is in hand here!
The then evolved into a chat about long distance footpaths used by fleeing Kings, the Monarch’s Way and the Liberty Way
The route of the Liberty Trail route is based on information recorded by six rebels from various villages in Somerset and Dorset. Villagers from the two counties made their way to join the Protestant Monmouth Rebellion in 1685.The rebels wore green sprigs tucked into their hats to declare their support for Monmouth. Weapons that they carried included farm scythes and other suitable agricultural tools.
Roy has been out and about and found some 13C / 14C finds including a pommel hilt in the Membury area.
George told us computer problems have stopped him progressing with the Nonconformist research. He related the 1860s law requiring a licence to use private buildings as a church. He mentioned the Five Miles act.
I have had a query from a lady researching the Wreck of the Berar off Rousdon in 1896. The was said to be an oak bucket at the Railway Hotel saod to have come from the wreck, the only link I could find was the landlord Fred, G Greenham who married Elizabeth Loveridge of Axmouth in 1889. They were at the pub from about 1910 to 1928.
Many thanks to all, so many interesting snippets.
The next meeting be in the Nog Inn 8 pm on 7th July.
We had another evening consisting of a good natter about various topics, the old chapel at Sidmouth Junction, sad that we could not have made use of it for the village as an arts centre and café. Being an old building the upkeep would have been a problem.
Something I omitted from last month was the amount of £66.00 raised by Jim Rider’s talk. This has been passed to the Church. I have received a note from Jo Chown thanking us and hoping we will continue to make use of the building in this way.
Brenda bought along an interesting article about Sidmouth junction Station shown in the form of a model in a railway magazine, very well made, though Alan says the train on the branch line is wrong it would have been a tank engine suitable to run the line without being turned around.
The conversation then moved on to Moles, Badgers and hedgehogs and the plans to re-wild rural areas.
The Boundary Stone unveiling and walk was a great success, the Group hope to make this an annual event on Rogation Sunday.
Brenda is researching the cottages now known as Parr Cottages. This building has a long and varied history, being the local inn or cider house, a room was used by the Men’s Club. Brenda now has the minute books which from 1924 onwards. The club was started by the Rev. Watson to give men something to do. John Virgin was running it when it closed.
The rooms there were used like a village hall, the parish council held their meetings there, it was also used for the large ploughing match lunches, wonderful write ups in the newspapers of the day. The men were asked to use the facilities rather than the garden! The rooms played a big part in the social life of the village.
We talked about how Post Cards were delivered same day compared to modern day communications, how many of us during our school days found the teaching of history uninspiring.
Hugh told us about his interests in the history of Plymouth Argyle football team. The whole town had a half day closing for the match days and the dockyard also let their employees off. Seeing the local sports news Hugh must be very chuffed to see his team off to Wembley! My brother who lives in Hampshire tells the Portsmouth followers are devastated!!
Jenny and George are taking the Western Uprising PowerPoint to Honiton this week. Jenny has kindly honoured us with the copyright to safeguard it.
Thank you all for a jolly evening. Shout if I have left anything out.
Our next meeting is on 2nd June, when we look forward to having Graeme with his metal detecting and field walking find.
On Rogation Sunday 1st May 2016 The History Group and guests attended while Rev. Cate unveiled a Boundary Stone to mark this ancient boundary. We followed this with a walk along a part of the boundary.
Susie Bond has kindly written about the process that led us to the event:
Susie Bond has kindly written about the process that led us to the event: